Kill the "Never boot" option and set a maximum boot time
It's useless; if you want a nice slow game with friends, you can as well set 1 minute boot time (they're your friends, right?), if you want nice slow game with random people, you actually need a way to move it forward if one of them stops responding.
This should be applied retroactively to all existing "Never" games.
The “Never” boot time has been removed, and this has also been retroactively applied to all existing games.
Dallas Crockett commented
How does this affect tournament games where players never join and the host never forces them to? Maybe a force join after 100 days? I'm in two tournaments right now where players are reaching the 100 day mark and it would be nice to continue on with them.
Now set to 100 days. I think 60 would have been better, but 100 is better than nothing, and the fact that it's retroactive is **fantastic**. Thanks, Fizzer! I'm glad this didn't have to get 100 votes on UserVoice to be implemented.
Never boot, 0 minute boot both seem pointless to me, in any possible scenario besides trolling/scamming they are unnecessary imho.
and we could easily make a 30-60 day the max boot limit, I do not know of anyone that would take longer then that for each turn, and if so they could easily turn on banking boot times as wel....
I'm transferring my votes to other ones.
My Games Filter by Waiting For
Abililty to Request that Games Be Unstuck
I really don't mind if the never boot leaves or not, but I would like to mostly see the stuck games go away. I think i'm going to create another user voice that will simply just add a new filter for My Games in which you can store certain games that you never want to see again or my "Stuck Game" list.
I voted for this too. Just cause i have a stuck game and would like to see it gone. This applies to forum post: http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread.aspx?ThreadID=885 if you want more info.
And +1 to everything Enrico said. The disconnect between the amazing functionality and enjoyability of this game and your "hands-off" handling of this minor issue, Fizzer, is very hard to figure out.
This is a great idea going forward, but does nothing to resolve the problem of currently stuck games. Do those really require a new feature to be implemented, when Fizzer's comments in various threads indicate that he can unstick games and autoboot players? Seems as though the implementation of this feature wouldn't help - - but I voted it for it anyway.
Enrico Pallazzo commented
This is ridiculous. Yes, if all people were perfectly rational then there would be no problem with the "Never" setting. But not everybody is rational, and moreover people change their mind and quit warlight from time to time. The current system guarantees that there will be permanently stuck games, and over time that will get worse. I mean seriously Fizzer, in five years everybody will have 50 stuck games, will you still be sticking to your purist philosophy?
If you want to keep the "Never" option, you should have a maximum move time, e.g. 30 days auto-boot. The extremely rare situation in which that would be a problem would be offset by the numerous stuck games you would fix.
For the creator of such a good, well-thought out website, you are displaying some pretty shaky design logic here.
> for this item to really work, I think you'd also need to set an upper cap on the boot time.
Well, yeah, that's sort of what I mean, Randy ;) I understand that a lot of huge powerful tools let the user hurt himself if he doesn't know what he's doing, but IMO Warlight being just a game shouldn't do that.
> Further, the "Never" option is currently useful if you want to disable one type of booting
Add two "Disable" checkboxes that would allow you to disable one type of booting (but no more)? Or change "Never" to "Disable" and only let user choose it in one list?
AdminFizzer (WarLight Creator, WarLight) commented
Well, if "Never" was removed, users could still set the boot time to something like 50,000 years. That's effectively the same thing. So for this item to really work, I think you'd also need to set an upper cap on the boot time.
Further, the "Never" option is currently useful if you want to disable one type of booting but leave the other enabled (for example, disable direct booting but allow voting.)
I don't think the WarLight engine should be in the business of telling players how to run their boot settings. It should certainly help them pick something sensible, but I don't think it should go out of its way to stop you from doing what you want.
Currently, if someone sets a game to "Never", they get a big fat message warning them that if anyone quits, the game will be stuck. Further, each player joining the game gets the same warning.
I agree with you, but I'm not sure I want to put my votes towards this. I'd rather just not join or create games without a boot time.